Curse

Jake_Steel · Jan 16, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

You should have went online and found out how 444 worked before ever joining or staying in a 444 group. The only one to blame here is you. Most people don't want to spend their ingame time explaining how something works that you could have found on the net yourself. Everyone seems to think their time and what they want to do is more valueable that's for sure. Like the idiots who watch cutscenes when they were told not to. Those that take quests and missions that were told not to. Those that blindly go into an elite area and come in knowing nothing about it or the many ways it can be played. I never ask anyone ingame "how do I do this or where is this" I go on the net usually the wiki and find the answers myself. That shows a smart individual player not some whiney brat who wants everyone to stop what they are doing and cater to him/her needs and wants.

Or the group instead of being collosal tools and rectal breach births could have told him and they would have had a decent run. Ego maniacs like this have no place in a decent community game.

Red Sonya · Jan 16, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

I'm surprised you can find anyone to group with ingame. You've been acting like a spoiled brat in this thread for 2 days now. In case you haven't noticed, nobody is agreeing with you.
Why should he have to look up 444 ahead of time? Was he supposed to read the leaders mind and determine that he was running an unknown tactic before he joined? There is nothing wrong with asking the leader a question and if you are too full of yourself to answer then you need to stick with single player games or just H/H teams.

You said you group with others to help them. It doesn't sound to me like you are helping anyone. If your idea of "helping" people is to abuse and degrade them thru out the mission then we're much better off without your help.

Honestly, I don't understand you. Your posts used to be very polite, but for the past 2 days you've done nothing but flame and troll this thread. Oh well, I guess the ignore option was a good suggestion.

Ummm I agree with him and basically use the same policies. Everyone doesn't play your carebear type of game and the only brat I see here is you in your name calling like some 8 year old in the 2nd grade. I see what he's saying and I agree, if I am the leader then I expect full cooperation out of those that group with me. He's not saying or doing anything out of the ordinary of those that play this way. Hardly trolling, the only troll I see would be those that oppose his opinion as he has a right to it and a right to play the game as he feels as well.

Ctb · Jan 16, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

blah blah blah

I love threads like this because they're so good at exposing the people who aren't worth listening to all at once.

Seriously, people. Don't respond to the trolls and immatures. Use ignore. Just click the name, then view public profile, "Add to ignore list", and then confirm it. After a few days of being dedicated to eliminating the chaff from your screen, you'll be surprised how much more civil and intelligent this forum can actually be.

Tatile · Jan 16, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Ctb

I love threads like this because they're so good at exposing the people who aren't worth listening to all at once.

Seriously, people. Don't respond to the trolls and immatures. Use ignore. Just click the name, then view public profile, "Add to ignore list", and then confirm it. After a few days of being dedicated to eliminating the chaff from your screen, you'll be surprised how much more civil and intelligent this forum can actually be.

Thank you for letting us all know the value of the ignore list. It's quite useful

If I PUG, I do let people know what they/we need to do if I'm planning on doing it a specific way (that is, if I'm leader, I'm generally not), or if it's a particularly long winded process. It takes longer to clean up a mess in a mission than it takes to explain beforehand.

Yes, I do get exasperated when I've been trying to do this one tiny bit continusly for far too long. Even then though I do not resort to name calling and try to explain why I need the warrior to run with crippling or a knock-down.

Kusandaa what happened in the Deep to you, with the 444, is an example of people I can't stand. If someone doesn't know something they're not a 'noob', they probably just haven't ecountered it before, or haven't been able to find any information on it.

I find my PUG'ing experiences go quite well. My father on the otherhand seems to be an idiot magnet. Must all be about luck.

Tatile · Jan 16, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

You mean follow your carebear ways? hahahah While you dictate one thing people should do as to play how they want and do what they want, now you want to dictate in telling them who and when to ignore. Lol you are no different than anyone else Ctb your mask is unmasked as well. I think people can make their own decisions on what to do without your input here. lmao But, truth be knownst ignoring someone is the first way of admitting your defeat. You can't win the arguement so you just shut the door because you can't deal with people not like you. lmao

Ctb isn't really dictating as such, more letting people know how to use the ignore list as he feels there's too much knee-jerking in the responses of this thread.

Lord Feathers · Jan 16, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

This is all called a PUG - and 95% of the time they are exactly what everyone is complaining about. Find yourself a good guild. The people you game with make or break a game and myself I refuse to game within a PUG anymore. Start a good friends list if you don't have a guild.

Aera Lure · Jan 16, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Seriously, people... [edit] Use ignore.

I dont use ignore on forums. Especially here. Everyone has a bad day and says something silly once and a while. Also, were I to ignore everyone with whom I have disagreed on this forum on one topic or the other, over the years, it would be a quiet place.

DDL · Jan 16, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

The difference, master knightfall, is that while Ctb suggests, you more....demand. In a fairly irritatingly smug and faux-superior fashion, to boot.

It's a fairly important difference, given that guildwars (unlike 'the military', which you needlessly mentioned for some reason) is an entirely voluntary experience.

In the military, you can order your subordinates around or they face court martial or worse. So 'demands' work.

In GW...oh look: people have umpteen ways to ignore you, and are never, ever under any compulsion to do what you demand. The VERY worst you can do is....kick them. If you're leader. And you can't do this during a cutscene anyway (which is ironic).

Thus (and this may be a useful take-home message), you'll find that in guildwars you can "get your own way" far, far more often if you suggest things, rather than "demand them angrily and then call people n00bs". The latter will simply annoy people, and then they'll actively go out of their way to irritate you further. The former is helpful, and EVERYBODY wins.

It's not rocket science.

Master Knightfall · Jan 16, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Lord Feathers

This is all called a PUG - and 95% of the time they are exactly what everyone is complaining about. Find yourself a good guild. The people you game with make or break a game and myself I refuse to game within a PUG anymore. Start a good friends list if you don't have a guild.

Very true Lord Feathers, but, it is a shame one can't enjoy PUGS anymore because people won't listen to the experienced veterans or those trying to help them. It never ceases to amaze me the jerks who think if they join YOUR party they have right to do anything they please or go against your party rules. I mean if you goto someones house for a party do you start dictating how it should be run? I don't know of anyone who does that and they certainly don't do it when they come to my house or my parties. It's just that ingame the children can get away with whatever they want (just like they mouth off online in forums) because there can be no retaliations. Ingame I can boot them of course or leave the group and that is my choice and my options and I use them. If I'm not party leader then I don't care what they do. But, as party leader I expect total cooperation and to be listened to and obeyed.

Jake_Steel · Jan 16, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Party Leader /=/ Master and Commander

Party Leader = First person in the Group list.

Until some people get this through the mass of fecal matter clogging their brains then PUG's will remain as safe as dinner a Hannibal Lechter's home.

I do however agree that if you pay for a "run" you should do what the runner says since you aren't PUGging anymore but paying for transport though an area or mission.

Master Knightfall · Jan 16, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Thank you Jake exactly what I've been saying all along.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 16, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Party Leader /=/ Master and Commander

Party Leader = First person in the Group list.

QFT, I generally lead the group regardless of where I am on the group list unless I feel lazy and want to let someone else do the thinking.

Tatile · Jan 16, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

QFT, I generally lead the group regardless of where I am on the group list unless I feel lazy and want to let someone else do the thinking.

I tend to hand leadership over to someone who know's what they're doing, or seems like the leader type. If it turns out they're an elected dictator, well that kind of sucks. If they're an arse about something, or use particular langauge I find offensive, I'll leave. Quite simple, but I enjoy PUG's when I get the oppurtunity to be in one.

thor hammerbane · Jan 16, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

<hands tissue>

But seriously, every game has jerkwads that act like your obselete if your not wearing fow armor. Not everyone is like that. Granted, the ratio jerks to nice guys is probably 100:1, but you'll find them eventually.

IGN: Thor Hammerbane

I'll make a nice guy move. If you need help with missions, questing, or just knowledge about the game, feel free to message me.

Martin Firestorm · Jan 16, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Like the idiots who watch cutscenes when they were told not to.

How ironic that the same person who said this, in the same post also said:

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

...some whiney brat who wants everyone to stop what they are doing and cater to him/her needs and wants.

Wow!!!

Guess what this whiney brat will do each and every time I am TOLD not to watch a cutscene.

Buster · Jan 16, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

I don't listen to people who act childish in games. All I do is /ignore and move forward.

Bazompora · Jan 17, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

I never demanded from people to skip through cutscenes; it's plain rude to insist on it. Back when I still "PUG'ed", I would wait till each and every other of the group selected to skip a cutscene I had seen allready aswell, before selecting it myself, just so the one that hasn't wouldn't feel pressured into skipping what he/she is entitled to see aswell.
In fact, if I know another on the team never saw the cutscene, I wouldn't even select "skip" if he/she does, because I can't accept that kind of favor.

Saelis Scarfang · Jan 17, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

If you're in Aust we might be able to play together if you're on at night. I'm in Singapore.

PM me and I'll help you if I'm not accompanying my buddy in his GWEN stuff (or in the middle of some mission)

Calista Blackblood · Jan 17, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by genofreek

Either way, enjoy your cutscenes. They have no way of knowing who skipped or didn't skip. Just don't say you want to watch the cutscenes pre-mission or you'll probably get punted from the group. :P

And if you want, message me in game. I'm not a pro or anything, but I'll do some missions/answer your questions. IGN Laura Fowler.

same

my char names are on the left

Rurik Jangeer · Jan 17, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

I rarely post anymore, but for some reason I felt compelled to respond to your thread. From what I can discern, you are the exact kind of person that this game needs. Unfortunately, Guild Wars is nearing the end of its life cycle, but there is GW2 on the horizon.

Back on topic. In agreement with what a previous poster said, the Skip option is no longer an option but a requirement. Don't worry about those people who simply must skip or are terrible in a coordinated group. (PUGs, pick up groups, if you didn't already know) They are the reason why I rarely play in non guild or hero/hench groups outside of HA anymore.

You sound like a sensible player, and someone who wouldn't rage or anything silly like that. I remember first starting GW almost exactly two years ago. It was my first MMO (Or however you want to classify it, sue me) outside of a certain Java based game. I know the feeling of being "there" for the first time. Savor those moments, because they come less and less as I'm sure you know.

I guess I'm beginning to ramble on huh? Point of post: don't let the random PUG kill your fervor for the game, and just ignore them if you come across one. Good luck as you continue playing.